Blues Brothers Everton Podcast
Blues Brothers Everton Podcast
Dyche Out
Dyche Out. That is all.
The run's still not really, on paper, a bad run if you had wins in it. But we haven't had wins in it.
Speaker 2:Welcome to episode 80 of the Blues Brothers Misery cast. We were all funny enough. All five of us were all here. We were all together earlier on, but it was too chaotic so we didn't record the podcast. So Andy's now back home, but me and Dad and Adam and Ben are in together, so it's good to be able to do it, dad how are you doing?
Speaker 3:I'm doing very well, thank you. Thank you. Great to have had all the years over christmas and I know you all go home tomorrow we'll miss new york, so it's been excellent that's sunny optimism has kept us going through today.
Speaker 2:We'll come back to that later. Uh, how are you doing I'm good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's been great to have everyone here for an extended period than was planned. Obviously, it was good to create it to all four of us in the same place for the first time in two and a half years.
Speaker 3:Ben.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great. We are flying home later this week, so we'll miss everyone when we're gone, but it's been great to be here in the UK. Clouds and silver linings. Ben wouldn't be here, but his wife got norovirus, so delayed a little bit. And Andy, how's life?
Speaker 1:I'm good. Thank you, yes, likewise, it's been great to see everybody over the last couple of weeks, and again it was good to be have us all in the same room this afternoon. But I can't lie, it is nice to be home in a house that's much quieter than mum and dad's was earlier on.
Speaker 2:Are you suggesting that there was something like?
Speaker 1:noisy and rambunctious going on earlier on here. That might have settled it. Yes, yes, yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting Rambunctious, good word, like it.
Speaker 2:Adam does need to stop giving his kids acid. That's good. What can I say? Yes, you wait, they do sleep don't they are sound asleep.
Speaker 2:Austin's getting all these, all these jokes and about kids now. But yes, I've got three months. He's got three months until he realizes that there's sometimes there is just nothing you can do, yep, except blame someone else. Um, okay, here's what we're going to do. So we're recording this Saturday night we just lost to Bournemouth a couple of hours ago. We'll talk about that a little bit. But here's what I want to do because, honestly, we could spend an hour ranting about Sean Dyche, which may be cathartic, but not maybe super interesting. So I'm going to do a quick round robin. Here's the question. So start prepping your answers.
Speaker 2:Do you, if you were in charge of everything, you're Dan Freakin' tonight do you fire Dyche now or do you wait for another couple of games, let's say, because I think we can all agree and it's not really worth debating. He's on the brink. The performance today was poor. Forrest was very poor. Obviously, we're pretty close to the bottom of the table. Um, so I'm going to start andy with you and then we'll talk. I want to talk about what do you actually do? What do we do next? That's kind of the interesting thing for me, um, bearing in mind kind of the squad and and where we're at. But, andy, I'll start with you. If you were down freaking tonight, do you fire dice now? Do you do some? Do you wait and see if things turn around?
Speaker 1:Up to today's game. I would have said give him a little bit more time. But having watched the game this afternoon and just seeing how utterly impotent we were up front and how limited we are even in terms of creating chances, let alone scoring goals, I would sack him. Now. The last couple of games I've completely changed my opinion. I've been a Dice supporter relatively recently but I would sack him now.
Speaker 1:In the Friedkin group I've just bought the club and they've not bought it to be hosting Wickham Wanderers and Birmingham City in the Bramley Moor Dock Stadium next season. And it's one thing to play defensive football and have Everton you know nil and not conceding goals. That is fine. That is 50% of your job done. But the other 50% is scoring goals at the other end and we're just not doing it.
Speaker 1:And Dyche has demonstrated now time and again that he's a limited manager and he's not capable of adequately coaching attacking players. We spoke this afternoon about the daft comments that he said in a press conference this week that you can't coach attacking players, which is just completely nonsense. Of course you can coach attacking players. He might not be able to and he's demonstrating on a weekly basis that he's not able to. Other managers and better managers manage it. So, to answer the question, if I was Dan Freakin I would be looking at that performance today and be really worried, because I think there's only one way we're going under dice the rest of this season and that's into the relegation zone. Because we are just so limited up front. It's almost frightening to watch. We just don't even look like creating enough chances, let alone scoring goals, and you are not going to get enough points to stay in the league just by drawing every game 0-0.
Speaker 3:Dad, after those three drawn games, I was looking forward, looking to the Forest game to be a bit of a watershed of what's the rest of the season going to be like, and I think I and a lot of other Evertonians were fairly hopeful. You know that, having got those, well, there were three good performances and we could have beaten city. If you recall that, that's the last minute attack, um, but maybe that last minute attack showed exactly what's wrong with us. We couldn't finish but by the bike, and I was terribly disappointed against forrest I think we all were the the performance was abject. It it was absolutely hopeless.
Speaker 3:And then we come to Bournemouth today and you know, I sort of think back to a couple of seasons ago when we played Brighton. Remember we ended up winning 5-2, I think, and that came from nowhere. And you know, I'm sort of hoping maybe we'll get another performance like that. And you know, the first five or ten minutes they were on the front foot and I thought this looks different. Unfortunately it didn't last beyond that. So come back to your question.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I think I would sack Dice now. I think, I think I would, I mean, I think I think I would, I mean early on today I might have been thinking well, ok, let's see how they get against Villa, let's see how they get on against Spurs. The realistic side of me says it ain't going to be any different. It's going to be like Forrest all over again and we will have missed the opportunity of two games to do two home games against teams who are good teams. But we should be capable of beating. I think if we just carry on doing as we did today against Forest, we won't get anything from those games. So change now. Hopefully somebody's lined up. If they haven't got somebody lined up, well, they're culpable. But if they've got somebody lined up, sack him now and fingers crossed that things pick up again from next week.
Speaker 2:We'll come back to who's next, and I'll just say, if you can't, the five of us would put a goal or two past Spurs, so that really would be bad.
Speaker 1:Adam to say if you can't, the five of us would put a goal or two past Spurs, you know that really would be bad Adam.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I agree, I would sack him now. There's no hope that anything's going to be different. I consider myself a very optimistic fan, but there's no indication that anything's going to change.
Speaker 4:You know I've said this countless times amongst ourselves and a couple of times on the podcast, but it's worth reiterating. Dyche has this ability to just turn everything back into mentality and everything into plucky Everton, and he has driven a narrative that indicates that he himself knows that he is not capable of coaching us to be better than what we currently are. Um, and the stats, um, the statistics of you know our goals and goals scored and goals against uh, back it up. You know he's a very good defensive coach. No one's no one's denying that. You know we've scored the sixth joint sixth fewest goal in the league at 25 um. But today's opponents born you mean mean conceded.
Speaker 4:You said scored.
Speaker 2:I was wondering where those other 16 goals came from yeah.
Speaker 4:So we've conceded the joint sixth fewest goals in the league. But just to sort of make a. You know, the quote that you've referenced earlier, austin, amongst ourselves, was how, um, I said you can't, you can't necessarily coach attacking like attacking intent in the mean and that's just obviously clearly nonsense. But today's opponents, bournemouth, have scored 30 goals, um, scored 30 goals, scored obviously one and a half goals a game, but they've conceded two fewer goals than us. So defensively they're better and offensively they are better and aesthetically they are better because they have a good coach with.
Speaker 4:Let's face it on the face of it are their players statistically that much better? No, they're not. They're just much better. Coached statistically that much better? No, they're not, they're just much better coach and daisha's and daisha's rhetoric around his constantly undermining us is his way of expressing I don't know what the I'm doing anymore. He's lowering expectations because he's an arrogant dinosaur of a coach, who I'm and it's and it's. And I will caveat it with the fact that you know he put it into context getting 48 points last season was fantastic and he undoubtedly has kept us up, but he did that because he was taking a players and the mentality worked. The mentality element has now lifted. That's got. It's gone. Yeah, they need coaching and he cannot do it.
Speaker 2:We now turn to notorious Sean Dyche apologist Ben.
Speaker 3:Stunners.
Speaker 2:I'm just glad that you finally decided that I was right. All along I've said we should have sacked Sean Dyche after the first Bournemouth game. So yeah, we should definitely sack him now. The thing I would highlight is we are now at the point where, to Adam's point, we are being treated like idiots by the manager. We've talked about this as well. Football fans aren't as dumb as professional managers.
Speaker 1:We all know what we're watching.
Speaker 2:We've watched thousands of hours of football. So when Sean Dyche puts Abdelida Kouré the man who can't create, think quickly or pass and plays him as a number 10, and expects us to believe that's the best way for us to win games, we all know that's not true, because we have eyes and we can watch football. So it's just at the point where it's just it sort of defies any like logic or any sort of competence that that you continue to approach games in that way and expect to get positive results. We have I mean, we can all help on the statistics. You know coming out your eyeballs about how bad we are offensively, but over our last 10 games we've scored five goals. Four of them were from set pieces against Wolves in one game and the other one was in GI against man City. Our top scorer over those last 10 games is Craig Dawson, who plays for Wolves Like you just cannot.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put on my optimist hat ever so slightly now, because I don't actually think Sean Dyche will get us relegated, because I think Southampton, ipswich and Leicester are worse than us.
Speaker 2:But that shouldn't be the bar, the idea that we're settling for a man who sets us up to play like this and delivers these awful performances. My last game at the Dursun in Austin and last game at the Durs, austin's last game at Goodison was at Forest and we were laughing that it was fitting that we were utterly awful and lost 2-0, because it would have felt weird if we played him off the park in a 3-0 victory. But you just can't continue down this path on the basis that, oh well, he'll keep us up, so that's okay. It's like what. There are plenty of managers out there who will keep us up, like the idea that sean dyche alone is the only person in world football capable of keeping this team in the premier league is absolute nonsense, and I'm sort of glad that we're now sort of at the point where it's much more not widely understood and widely accepted. But we're actually able to have a conversation that goes beyond oh well, you know he kept us up two years ago and we got 48 points last season. It's like great.
Speaker 4:Thank you for that what have you done for me lately we've also we've scored the second fewest goals. Who's?
Speaker 2:scored fewer goals than us.
Speaker 4:Southampton. I think incredible. Who beat us back?
Speaker 2:yeah well, I was. The last. Three Southampton managers have only won one home game and they've all been against us. Nathan Jones won one game, the last three Southampton managers have each only won one game. It's been us every time, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, and further to the point about scoring goals, we've scored 15 in 19 games. Wolves, who are obviously around us in the table, have scored 31. So, alright, now, alright, you said defensively, clearly they're shipping loads, but even so, I mean 15 goals we've scored. That's pathetic, that's just pathetic.
Speaker 2:The other thing about that is that one of those things is a shitload easier to solve than the other.
Speaker 1:Because as.
Speaker 2:Sean demonstrates, solving the defensive bit is the easy bit. Scoring goals is really hard, so I would much rather be Wolves than us.
Speaker 3:Because if I'm Wolves, I'm like hey, we can score goals.
Speaker 2:We just need to keep typing back and we'll be fine, we have a much bigger problem. If you go to every game knowing if you concede one, that's probably it, then like you want, like it puts pressure it puts pressure.
Speaker 4:Yeah with um, with dyche as well. He said, like he said whatever multiple times in post-match interviews saying you know um, scoring goals is the hardest thing. It's like you've been in charge for two and a half. Well, this was I mean.
Speaker 2:This was a thing with you know julia bold, who's very, you know, a great BBC journalist who covers Everton, kind of skewered him. I mean his public statements, I think, are becoming slightly embarrassing, honestly. I mean the one you'll have heard it at the start of the pod. It's just a brilliant, you know, the run's not bad if you put some wins in. It's like Sean. You know, if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bike, wouldn't she? It's just like absurd.
Speaker 2:But in his press conference this week, you know, julia Bold asked him about bringing in a tackle coach and whether he considered that, and he said well, you know, he basically said two things that are like ludicrous, basically saying that the reason strikers are so expensive is you can't teach players how to score goals. You either have it or you haven't. And today, in his post-match today again, listen to the whole thing he says it's about that intent and that desire to score. It's like no, no, it's not not. Everything is about mental yes. Like it's not just about guts and tenacity, it's about skill and having patterns of play and ways of playing that create chances, because we did have a problem previously, particularly last year, putting chances away. We have not. We created one chance, I would say against Forest without Beto ahead. I mean Calvert-Lewin had a header that was. I mean anyone would have any functioning human would have said Beto had a header was a decent header.
Speaker 2:And today we had you know he literally just pointed to that Decore shot from outside the box as if he was, and he said, oh, our fans didn't see it, but and that's what we're clinging to, we're not even, we're not even creating chances and creative chances, and we have a manager who believes that that half of the game can't be coached. I mean that that I'm sort of embarrassed for him, honestly. I want to. We're gonna. There's a. There's a history. There's a good history in this podcast of people promoting managers who then turn out to be shit. So so we're gonna play a game in a minute of who gets to dig themselves in the next hole. So we'll, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2:I just want to talk a little bit, ben you, you sort of raised this earlier on about the dressing room. Yeah, do you think dyche has lost the dressing room and I say that because you know he was. He was pretty critical of the players after forest. You know he said they didn't do what he, what he instructed them to do, which may be true, but maybe it's just that's still his job anyway today. He was specifically critical of Jarrod Brathwaite for Bournemouth's goal. Now, if you watch it, brathwaite does duck down, which is a strange thing for him to do, but he obviously thought it was going wide, I think, and he didn't want to deflect it for a corner or whatever, which is obviously a mistake or deflect it into the net, which is obviously a mistake, but I thought that was a sign of something.
Speaker 2:But you've thought about this a lot. Yeah, I just think, as soon as you get to the point where you are calling out individuals or even the team collectively in your post-match, what does that say to the players? That says to the players well, you're not on my side. You're not going to go out there and defend me.
Speaker 2:And we've all worked for people or managed people in our lives and the biggest thing you have to be able to do as a leader is allow your team to understand that you have their back right, that whatever happens, you will address things in private if you need to, but you will defend them to the people you need to defend them to. And it's totally unacceptable for dice to go out there and throw jared branthwaite, who was a very key part of keeping this up last season a young player we shouldn't forget, like not, you know, still learning is totally unacceptable. For the dice to go out and basically basically go.
Speaker 2:Well, this result is his fault, which is what he's kind of done there was a story a couple weeks ago that um did the rounds, that there was a bust upup, shall we say, between Pickford and Dyche after the Brentford game where?
Speaker 2:because, as you may all remember, in that game Brentford and Mann sent off just before halftime and we played 45 minutes against 10 men and we basically didn't create anything and drew 0-0. And Pickford, in a post-matchatch somewhere said that it was two points dropped, which, to be very clear, it is you play 10 men against 45 minutes. At home, you should be winning that game.
Speaker 2:Apparently, there was a disagreement between Pickford and Dyche because Dyche wasn't happy that Pickford was framing it that way publicly, because his preferred framing was well, we're unbeaten in six, or whatever it was at that point, and that was what he said after the game. That was what Ashley Young said after the game.
Speaker 2:So I really think you saw him say after the Forest game well, the players didn't do what I wanted in the first half which, by the way, sean, is your fault Like that's not the players, like, if they're not following your instructions and that's your failing as a leader. And now he throws Brantway under the bus. This is the Mourinho thing, right? This only goes one way. Once you start doing that, gary O'Neill Exactly, once you start going out there and just actively blaming individual players, this is like on the fast track to him.
Speaker 2:And Brantway in training tomorrow. Now Branthwaite's a professional.
Speaker 4:Obviously you have to take the criticism and he is a brilliant professional. Because calling him out like that after he has been the subject of huge transfer? You know he was subject to three bids in the summer by United. Yeah, and he didn't actually, and and at no point did he.
Speaker 2:Yeah there was no sources close to Brent, the player saying that no, he's kept his head down.
Speaker 4:He's got on with it. He's come back from injury and been really really good. So you know, sean Dyche is absolutely scandalous that he's come back today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those comments about Brantwaite after the game today are just completely unacceptable. I mean because if you are going to say that about the goal, then you've equally got to mention in the same breath the fact that he made almost a goal-saving tackle in the second half where a lad was through and he made a perfectly timed challenge and put it out for a corner. Now he mistimes that we give away a free kick or a penalty and he possibly gets sent off.
Speaker 1:So to not acknowledge that in the same breath, it's just not acceptable. It really is not. Sorry, go on. Yeah, I mean it's, and that's just the thing I can think of. I mean I've no doubt.
Speaker 1:I mean there was other times in the game when Brant Waite was in the right place and got his head on the ball or made a challenge or did exactly the thing that a centre-back should do to stop an opposition attack or to snuff out danger. So, even if the goal is Brant Waite's fault, his other actions on the pitch saved us conceding goals. So Brant Waite must be going. Even if he goes, well, all right, yeah, I maybe shouldn't have ducked, but I did all this other good stuff in the game.
Speaker 1:And then the manager is focusing on the one time I did something wrong that resulted in the goal. Now, if I work for somebody like that, who I do a good job 95% of the time, and I'm just picked up on the one time I make a mistake, my attitude to that manager is like, well, screw you, pal, I've lost all faith in you. And then, as we've already alluded to, that relationship between you and the manager, who should be leading and guiding you is broken. So I think the relationship between the manager and the dressing room at Everton is between certain players, players is irrevocably broken now.
Speaker 4:Statistically, the carrot is five times more effective than the stick. Like in behaviour management in schools, and it's a weird link with the rhythm. A phone call home to a child is up to anything between 10 and 20 times more powerful than a negative phone call About the same thing. In terms of changing their behaviour. It's exactly the same thing. Calling out players like that is the worst thing that you can do. But Dyche doesn't like to be positive in terms of praising players In general. When he scored his goal. It's wild that you can say his goal, yes, exactly. He, um, the, the, the. The interviewer basically put it, to put it in saying like he was. The question was asked in a way where it was like it was a great bit of skill by enjoy, like does he do that? And he was sort of does he do that in training? And he was like, and Dyche was like yeah, he has got a bit of that about him. He's got a bit of that about him.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah, but he quickly wanted to move on but, then, but then he, but then he, literally then.
Speaker 4:His next sentence was about mentality and it's like he can't, it's like he doesn't like the fact that he has these goalful players because, I think, subconsciously, he doesn't know how to coach them.
Speaker 2:He's almost yeah, and it's like.
Speaker 4:He's like a hard 80s PE teacher in short shorts telling people to run and the person who can kick it furthest and run fastest is the best.
Speaker 2:All right. So, Daishao, we're going to play a game of who gets to pick the next managerial disaster. So we've had. What have we had? I was pro Benitez, believe it or not, Andy championed Sean Daish.
Speaker 3:You guys championed a manager. That was a complete disaster.
Speaker 4:I think I was behind Daish, but only because the other candidates weren't.
Speaker 2:I can't remember where I was on Lampard and Pereira.
Speaker 4:I was pro-Lampard over Pereira.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I was probably pro-Lampard over Pereira as well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so, Daesh, what was your managerial disaster? Class Well.
Speaker 3:I mean the obvious one is Graham Potter. The problem there is that we don't know what he's like with a team that has the problems that Everton have got. When he came to prominence with Brighton, it was when they actually started playing really good football, and we don't know again what the starting point was with those players. So that seems to be the obvious choice. Uh, beyond that, I don't know. I hope that the new owners have a pretty good idea of the right coach for Everton and the problems that they have. Certainly they've had enough time to consider it. I'd be amazed if they hadn't been considering it. So, so I could guess a name, but I'd rather say, as I've just said, let's hope that they know who to appoint and let's hope that whoever he is is the right man.
Speaker 2:Adam, do you want to sell Graham Potter on to us?
Speaker 4:I'm going to be a bit, I'm going to be pessimistic here and I don't think, I don't think we can attract, think I don't think we can attract. I don't think we can attract Graham Potter, because I think the only thing that would attract us to Graham Potter is the stadium and the fact that he could lead us into the stadium. I think that's a huge pull. That's the only thing, because I think Graham Potter has been approached by lots of clubs. He's been approached by Premier League clubs, since his second, by Chelsea, and he's been approached by teams on the continent as well, and he's turned them all down. I don't see, I don't see any. I don't see many reasons, apart from the stadium, why he would want to, why he would come back into the Premier League for us and you've also got now the prospect of Spurs sacking Postacoglu, so I think there's that element to it as well He'd be maybe waiting for the Spurs job, which is obviously, objectively, a much more lucrative position than the amateur manager.
Speaker 2:And also comes in the shining stadium?
Speaker 4:Yes, exactly. So I think it's great to talk about Graham Potter. I just wouldn't. If it were me, I wouldn't get you hooked up about getting him because I don't think he's as realistic as other candidates. I can see it being. I can see Moyes being more likely. To be honest and to go back to your point, whether you want to him or not, I think he is. In my opinion, he's a more likely candidate.
Speaker 4:To go back to your point, dan, about the free king group, I think you're right. I think we need to make sure that they have a good idea of who they want, but I think, more importantly, kevin Selwell needs to have a good idea of who he wants as well. Because Thelwell needs to have a good idea of who he wants as well, because that's the thing that's always been the issue. Since Moshiri came in 2016, there's been that complete lack of strategic thinking around. Director of football and manager. So Kevin Thelwell having a vision of how he wants football to be played and the way the structure of the club works, from the youth set up all the way the structure of the club works, from the youth set up all the way to the first team he needs to be, and he is driving that, I'm sure, but he needs someone who's going to come in and work with that, not against it.
Speaker 3:And come back to David Morris. I mean he did recently say that if he did come back into management he wouldn't want to come into a relegation fight.
Speaker 4:So I think he's out of the frame yeah, okay, I didn't know the one that I.
Speaker 2:I'm on record repeatedly being Graham Potter, but I do understand where Adam's coming from. I don't think necessarily we're as attractive proposition as we sometimes like to think. The one that I'm actually really worried about is Gareth Southgate, because he would hit the like oh, he's a big name and he's you know, it would show intense and stuff, but I actually think he's not a very good club manager and I think what he did at international level was very, was incredible and he was very successful in the manager. He was knighted for it and all that. I actually don't think he would be a very good club manager, but he's the one that sort of gets linked to, not specifically to us, but to like managers who are available when you know and might be in a position to take over premier league clubs, and that would be the one that, that, that would.
Speaker 2:That would worry me, um, but yeah, I mean I I think I championed graham potter when ancelotti left, so I'm not going to not going to change my opinion now, but I do agree with Adam, we need to. If we're going to do that and this goes back to our first conversation you need to move quickly, because fast forward a couple of weeks, I mean, you know I'm not watching you now. I've Spurs sat past the Cogglielo already. They might like they might wait until a couple of weeks. So like if you have a view that, take Graham Potter, for example if Graham Potter is available and wants to be able to manage it, what are you waiting for?
Speaker 2:Because the other thing about the Dyche thing is like what's the best case scenario of this? Like he keeps us up by somewhere between five and ten points come the end of the season it's like okay, you can't hope for anything better than that. So why are we sat around? We're all sitting around hoping it changes or hoping it gets better.
Speaker 2:I saw someone describe it earlier as being an evidence supporter right now is like betting betting on a three-legged horse and hoping it grows a fourth one during the race. Like it is it is, it is essentially just praying that it gets better, with no evidence that it's it's going to based on anything we've seen so far. Like we would. We were having this conversation, you know, pre-game like about whether he would pick ashley young and nathan patterson.
Speaker 2:You know we all hoped he would pick nathan patterson, but we all kind of knew he'd pick ashley young and lo and behold well, I guess I guess I didn't correctly guess the entire starting 11, you know, before it came out. Because he's just, he's really predictable. For Dijs' credit, he found a way to play both of them.
Speaker 1:Yes, he did.
Speaker 2:He did Andy thoughts on who would come next or should be, yeah it's.
Speaker 1:I agree with the difficulties around attracting Graham Potter. With the difficulties around attracting Graham Potter, would he want to come into the throes of a relegation battle? I'm not sure that he would. Is he holding out for the Spurs job? Very possibly. Moore is an interesting one, although we obviously mentioned that he doesn't want to come into a relegation battle either, so he'd have to change his tune around that. I agree with Ben about Gareth Southgate. He'd be the sort of big name that the three-team group would arguably want. But again, is he the right person for our current predicaments? I'm not sure that he is.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a couple of good managers further down the football pyramid. Mark Robbins, who's just gone to Stoke, has always done a very solid job at all the clubs that he's managed and he had a very successful seven or eight years at Coventry until he was sacked and they appointed Frank Lampard, and there's many or a strongry. Until he was sacked and they appointed Frank Lampard, and there's many, many or a strong view that he was very unfortunate to be sacked from that role, including, I mean no Coventry fans wanted him gone, for example, but the owner wanted a bigger name and has now appointed Frank Lampard. And then you've got Matt Bloomfield at Wickham as well, who's taken them to the heights of League One now. But again, for either of those it'd be a heck of a step up to now we'd be an attraction because we're a Premier League club, so we'd be an attraction for those sorts of managers, but you'd be taking a heck of a risk putting a manager like that into a club in our circumstances.
Speaker 1:So to answer the question as to who could possibly be the next manager, I don't know which admittedly doesn't doesn't particularly help for good debates but there's no. There's no obvious candidate, because we either struggle to attract them in Moyes or well, we struggle to attract them with Potter. Moyes is on the record saying he wouldn't want to join a club in our situation. There's serious reservations about Southgate's managerial acumen at club level and anybody who is appointed to the Premier League from a lower league club would be a big risk in terms of would they be able to keep us in the league. So throw a name, throw a name.
Speaker 2:Jose Mourinho not saying it's a good idea. That's what people's views. Dad, Jose Mourinho, yes or no?
Speaker 3:No, why Well? I don't think he plays the type of football that we're looking for. He's very defensive. Was he the one who said Did he park a?
Speaker 2:bush, I can't remember. He said that about someone else, but he is definitely a defensive manager.
Speaker 3:no doubt he's definitely a defensive manager. If he could guarantee, which he can't, we'd stay up and say yeah, but no, no, not Mourinho, not for me.
Speaker 2:I ask because the Greek kids know him. They appointed him in Roma, they fired him, but they fired a coach a week at Roma, so it's probably too much.
Speaker 4:I mean he's also not available for the Fenerbahce. Yeah, but I think he he's quite openly said that.
Speaker 2:He wants to come back to the Premier League he would come back to the. Premier League no no. There's no guarantee that he would keep you up. I mean he probably would, because I think Sean Dyche probably would, but I don't think the football gets significantly better and we all know that it falls apart with Mourinho after 6, 12, 18 months. So we'd be hiring another guy next January anyway, yeah, paying him a lot of money.
Speaker 4:He'd want. I think you'd be looking at like 7.5, 10 million a year.
Speaker 1:And also.
Speaker 4:Mourinho to be your manager, which would just be insane.
Speaker 2:The Mourinho thing is exactly the sort of thing that Moshiri would have done, because it's a big name that doesn't make any fucking sense. You would hope that the freaking group have more of an idea about what the direction of the club is, that they're not going to make a kind of spur of the moment, short-term you know, based on name brand decision. You know, I think it would be a. I think it would be a very bad indictment on their start to the their ownership if the first decision they essentially made was to was to hire jose marino.
Speaker 2:I think that would be. I would look look at that I would be very concerned that that was the they thought was the best thing for Everton football. I mean short term big name. It's exactly what they've done at Roma. Now I'm going to. Maybe they've learned from that, but you know, point to Mourinho fired him. I went to some other guy, fired him. Appointed De Rossi Club legend. Fired him. The. The CEO resigned because the fan protest was so bad. They've had a pretty chaotic time with managers over there.
Speaker 1:You've only got to hope they've learnt from that. One other point on Mourinho if he was still a top-class football manager, he wouldn't be managing a club in Turkey. He'd be in the Premier League, or Germany or Spain, and it's a testament that his stock's fallen, that he's managing Fenerbahce.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I agree with that. I think he's from between the lines, I think Mourinho is seen as like some sort of a bit of a laughing stock now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a busted flush.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think he was very good in the noughties and has sort of been living off that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I agree. I just wanted to say it because I thought it would be funny. Alright, so, daishao, we have no idea who we would replace, so that's helpful.
Speaker 1:Good thing we're not in charge. It is a good thing we're not in charge.
Speaker 2:It is a good thing we're not in charge. Let's talk a little bit about transfers and a little bit about the next couple of games. So the transfer window's open, which I'd forgotten about until someone said it today because I've been in such a pit of depression about the whole Everton thing. Let's assume I think the club have been quite co-oriented as PSR and there is PSR, but we've made a net profit over the last five years, so our PSR stuff can't be that bad. I know it rolls over at the end of the season so the sum will be different, but presumably there is some money to spend because we've got owners with cash and you know they've sorted out debt and all that sort of stuff. What's the area of the squad? Andy, I'll come to you first. What area of the squad should would? Should we prioritize with what kind of player? Maybe, because I know you're not going to say defense, but what do you think we need?
Speaker 1:Well, actually I'm going to say defence because, ironically, despite our good Everton, nil left back. Well, you can make a case for, apart from goalkeeper, every position need strengthening. But to zone in on a couple of specific ones, I think left back Mikalenko you can tell he knows. Unless you can tell he knows, there's nobody putting pressure on him for his position. He's been very disappointing in the majority of games this season, so a left-back would be one.
Speaker 1:I mean, every time I look at Luka Dean playing for Aston Villa I almost weep because I think you know we sold that guy and got Mikalenko. I mean, that's just an illustration of you replace a player who's not as good as the one that's left and you just get worse as a team. But the main position and this is where you arguably need another manager other than Dyche to manage this is more creativity midfield, because it's obvious that we're not creating enough chances or scoring enough goals. So if you've got a more creative player in central midfield or to play on one of the flanks, then you need a manager other than Dyche to coach him because, as we've discussed already, dyche is just not capable of coaching attacking players. So you could argue that if you got players in, you'd almost have to change the manager at the same time, because if you change the players, I don't think Dy I should be capable of getting anything that different out of them.
Speaker 3:I'd say a winger, a right winger, so you'd have a new right winger and then Dwight McNeil. And then come to a point that was made earlier that Calvert-Lewin made that year. He scored lots of goals, he went with angelo. She was there where his job was to just stay in the box, and yeah, absolutely loads of goals, but we've had two chances already to sign two right wingers.
Speaker 3:We cocked that up, so I'm not confident that, you know, we make the right choice now. If we need a right winger Midfield, I agree there's a need there. The only positive thing is that there's Tim and Garner, who are there to come back Now. Whether or not they're good enough to create the creativity that will provide the creativity we need is a bit doubtful. The other thing is looking at the, the both full-back positions.
Speaker 3:Um, most successful teams now have attacking fullbacks, you know, and that's why they are creating. Other teams are creating far more chances. I think that's one of the problems we've got. So I think, over longer term, we probably need two fullbacks who you know are good enough defensively and that's the question mark case patterson, based on today's performance, unfortunately, um, but we're good. I say good enough defensively, but good enough to, you know, augment the attack and give us that extra dimension of more players going forward I don't think we've got very much money and, as I say, of more players going forward, I don't think we've got very much money and, as I say, the per, the players that we bought with not much money haven't been very good and we played, so I don't see why, how that can change this january. So I think the reality in my mind is that we're stuck with what we've got. In a sense, it's an interesting point.
Speaker 2:Isn't it sorry about it? About the midfield, because if you think about the teams that play what we've got, in a sense it's an interesting point, isn't it Sorry, ben? I'll come to you in a second About the midfield, because if you think about the teams that play well, playing lots of games, you know Liverpool particularly, I think Arsenal, more or less, are up there. It's not so much actually that they've got these kind of brilliant central midfielders. They either have great players who play from wide. They have someone like De Bruyne who I mean he's a midfielder but not really I mean he plays much more forward than that Odegaard yeah, those kind of players or they do something a bit like Liverpool, I think, have all three of these, which is what makes them so dangerous. They have someone like Alexander-Arnold who's a right back but really his danger is he steps up as an extra man in that space. So that classic like when I was growing up watching football, it was that yeah, you're a creative playmaker, midfielder, but I don't know if that role really is as important now versus the combination of people with really good technical ability to create a chance and the tactical now to be able to engineer overloads. We watched the Spurs game earlier on and Spurs-Newcastle Spurs are a strange team in terms of how they choose to defend, but Newcastle were brilliant at creating moments of overload where they could have an extra man. And that's not about I mean, I'm sure it's a little bit about those players, but really obviously it's about the coaching, ben transfers thoughts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with Andyy about left back. Actually I like michael a lot but you need competition in that, in that position at least, because if he gets injured then you know you're playing actually young there and then you know you're playing one pass and a common right back and it starts to look, you know, start to look short. I think. I think you can actually solve a couple of problems with one signing actually, because if he signed a winger probably a left winger, depending on where you want to play McNeil and moved in giant to the middle to play number 10, which is his actual position, that he plays internationally and he played at Sheffield United when he scored all those goals in the championship and we play him out on the left wing where he's been good, but you look at like I mean I I would if, if I have to watch abdulaziz one more time play the number 10 role.
Speaker 2:I'm going to claw my own eyes out with a spoon that's unfortunate because, he's going to do it on thursday I would imagine oh, yeah, I mean I'm fully prepared, get your spoon ready.
Speaker 2:But like, I think if you can stop, you can solve that. The sort of creativity attacking from three problem with actually one good wing deciding because you're okay, you play mcneil on one wing, new signing on another and you go to a jive. Hey, you're really like you can go both ways and you're good with both feet and you're quick and you're technical. We're going to put you in the middle of the part where you can actually influence the game more and and ask you to play more now I don't think in jai's like I'm not comparing these two players, because I don't think his creativity in terms of like final pass is as good as someone like odegaard.
Speaker 2:I don't think he sees the game, the different types of players, but like I just think, when you're so limited in terms of resources, getting your best players in their natural positions seems like I'm being on the ball more as well, being on the ball more is just a more obvious thing to do.
Speaker 2:So if I was prioritising, I'd say you need to sign a second left back and you need to sign a winger who allows you to move the formation round or move the players round in the formation to get in Gianni's best position. But we talked about this, I'm sure you about the argument that we should play three at the back actually being the you know being the way forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could do. I mean this was. Forgive me, I'll put in the show notes who I stole this from. I saw it on X, but you know there was something going around last week that actually, if you look at our squad, our starting lineup should be Pickford, brantwick, tarkovsky, and then a third centre-back, keanu O'Brien, and then a midfield four with McNeil left wing-back, mangala, garnagay, patterson, right wing-back, and then Ndai and Lindstrom, and then you know, dolmen, cavallu and Obrosian which would allow more players to play in better positions and would take the pressure off Maneel, I think we trust to play from back he's a very well-rounded player in that sense would take the defensive responsibility a bit off.
Speaker 2:And the way you play them, which is pretty straightforward, is when you're defending it's a 5-4-1 and die, and Lindstrom, in that situation, go to the flanks to defend. You have a back five with one up front and then, when you've got the ball, your two fullbacks. It's very simple your two fullbacks every single time step up to join the midfield and join the attack and you always leave three back. It's as well as actually probably suiting the players, because we've got players like you know, michael Keane, who I think is the fans sort of go hot and cold on. I've gone hot and cold on, but he's a good footballer, you know, he's like a good technical footballer. They are good technical footballers.
Speaker 2:So you know, you think those three, you get those three at the back. You're like, ok, well, you're four on two counterattacks, but you don't really have five on three counterattacks. You know what I mean. It shouldn't be that big a problem. So I think there's a good argument. But you know the the indictment is interesting again because we were looking at the you look at the heat map. A couple of the AFC stats accounts that posted this his heat map against Forest, which is a team where you know we had more possession than them, which is not what we were trying to do, but they hate the ball too, so we had more possession than them.
Speaker 2:His heat map it was the left-back position. Yeah, and in Dyche's system those See, I think Dyche maybe could work from the left, but he can't work from the left when his primary job is to defend.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:And in Dyche's system the wingers prime. Because I talked to you the week about how you said you know. Basically a journalist said you know, why are you so inflexible? He phrased it more eloquently than that, but he basically said Ndai said look, I'm not inflexible. I've changed everything about how I play. I used to play 4-4-2. And he plays 4-4-2 now. Yeah, he plays with decorum. We just play with one striker. We have him in field or up there, but we play 4-4-2. We sort of get ourselves. So you've got such defense. So you could, I guess your point about changing the manager. You could buy a world-class right winger, but Dyche is going to give them such defensive responsibility that you won't see the best of them. Adam.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can't have this discussion, I don't think, without caveats, with the need to change a manager, because I think any of these players and these suggestions are all good and I agree with the three at the back idea. Or N'Diai, I agree should be more central, but you were saying because he's skillful and I made the point earlier about Dyche doesn't value that sort of thing we can have this conversation. But there is a necessity to change the manager. So let's imagine that that happens and we can add some players, I think I was going to say the same thing as Ben.
Speaker 4:I think Ajayi should move into the middle and then you should look at either a right winger, as Dad suggested, or a left winger, as Ben did, because that's where our strikers, because we've got tall, technically good, physical strikers, two of whom, anyway I mean Beto, I do think, is a good striker. I think he just needs to get on the end of crosses and I think he's actually quite a good finisher. But that's what we should be aiming to do and I think, longer term. Unfortunately, as much as I really do have a soft spot for Mikalenko, but I do think he is a defensively minded fullback and I don't think he would be able to operate in that sort of system, which is why you said about that 3-5-2 formation, why you put McNeil there? Because Mikalenko absolutely has the engine to perform that role.
Speaker 4:352 formation why you put McNeil there? Because Mikelenko absolutely has the engine to perform that role. But going forward, I just don't think he's good enough. I don't think, yeah, I don't think. You look at Kerkhez for Bournemouth today and you look at left-back for Spurs sorry, left-back for Newcastle, like Liverpool and Livramento on the other side for Newcastle, liverpool and Livramento on the other side for Newcastle. And that's like you said, dad, that's the, that's the mentality. Now, that's what modern football is like you have full backs who are not defensively minded, or at least it's half and half, no not probably and we don't play like that.
Speaker 4:And if you don't play like that, but and if you want to play like that, then unfortunately those sort of players need replacing. Now I really do think that Nathan Patterson can be that player and he looked, you know, he very much looked like that player when we first when we got him. But I don't think Mikalenko can be that player, unfortunately. Jimmy Garner would be an alternative to.
Speaker 3:Paterson, that is true, yeah.
Speaker 2:The thing people forget about, paterson, is that there was a period of time when Lampard was in charge for the start of that season where he'd taken a previous season.
Speaker 2:So when Lampard started to see as our manager, we play actually pretty good football and we won a decent number of games and Nathan Patterson was the starting right back and was basically the first name on the team sheet and I remember he got injured about five, six games in and everybody was like, oh, that's really bad, that's a big plug. So I think we just need to like Nathan Patterson is, I believe. So, yeah, I think we just need to like nathan bison is, I believe, like that has a potential to be a really really good modern attacking fullback. I just don't think that. I just care about coaching him to be that. I think diane wants his fullbacks to be like mikalenko, who I think michael anchor is.
Speaker 2:Is your like perfect second choice left back yeah, because he's like come in solid, do a job, not not going to screw up nothing spectacular. And if you're playing three, five, two, you could do worse than play him as well as your left center.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you could be right. I think you probably would if Brampton way is that is, it is himself yeah, it's um and it. You know.
Speaker 2:It's interesting that the where we think about um the PSR, because interesting where we think about the PSR because we don't know what the situation is.
Speaker 2:But let's assume today, just to save an argument, that our PSR, like our leeway on PSR, is zero. Right, I think we're likely to sell. We've got four strikers now. Now Brogier's on loan with an option to buy, but I think we'll probably have an intention to buy him in the summer, would imagine because what is it? 20 million and he's worth more than that. He's just been injured a lot. But you know. So you've got. You know beto, him, calvert lou and chermitty. Chermitty is a development prospect. Beto has been linked with a couple moves to italy, including to roma, which would be a brilliant Chelsea-like fiddle. So you could see a situation when they're talking about 20 million for Beto, then that frees up 20 million. You know what I mean. And the freekins have got the pounds and dollars to spend the money. There's no question about that. You know, it's just PSR. So I'd be surprised if we didn't find ourselves in that, or at least having the choice, because if nothing else, they could just sell into Roma, which costs them no money at all.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean If they need to free up PSR.
Speaker 2:The PSR thing is interesting actually, because all the clubs had to submit their accounts to the Premier League by the end of December and then the date by which the Premier League will notify clubs about whether they are facing breaches of PSR and potential points deductions is the 12th of January. So there is a lot of talk that basically you're going to see nothing happen transfer-wise until the 12th of January, when everyone knows that they're clear on PSR, so I wouldn't expect anything to happen imminently, but it will be interesting to watch after that date.
Speaker 3:If they could sell Beto for £20 million the way it works, with the fee being spread over the value of the contract they probably could buy two £30 million players in.
Speaker 2:January for that £20 million.
Speaker 3:Exactly right, and these people are smart people.
Speaker 2:They'll look at it and go, ok, we can move it from that club to that club. Which is, you know, we take 20 million out of our left pocket, put it in our right pocket and then, you know, we free up. You know, if Everton have got a PSL, I'll put them in Rome. I haven't. I don't know what the rules are, but you can absolutely.
Speaker 1:Then what are they doing you?
Speaker 3:know, why are?
Speaker 2:they opening. That is the advantage of political voting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what are you doing? That's how you do it.
Speaker 2:I suspect Trimity will go on loan somewhere. The only other thing with that is that obviously Calvert-Lewin is out of contract. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you send Trimity on loan and you sell Beto, then you're leaving yourself with Brozier and Calvert-Lewin who might be off in five months, which is an end-of-season problem, I guess, but then the financial position we hope will be entirely different. I hear you on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they'll have. You know, our revenue from next year is going to be different, so we'll be in a different spot. Ok, let's talk about Peter Brook, which is our next game in the FA Cup. I hope Ashley Young gets to play against his son. That'll be fun, which he could do. I think it's maybe the first time that's happened, or the first time it's happened in the Premier League club, because he's some place for Peterborough obviously do. We think we're going to beat Peterborough in the FA Cup.
Speaker 1:Andy, come to you first just before I answer that question, I'd just like to return to the prospective new manager debate and chuck another name in. I have a sense you've done some research, andy, only just thought I had to flip through the 92 league clubs to see if the manager of any sort have left off the page. Now I don't think we get him because his club is having a good season. Both. Eddie Howe has obviously been in the frame for Everton manager in the past. No chance.
Speaker 2:Faces are being pulled.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to just mention it as a you know now. Obviously last season Newcastle did not have a great season, but this year obviously they're having a great season.
Speaker 3:But this year obviously they're having a better season have you met Fiff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm aware they're Fiff. They were the Fiff team I looked at when I was going through the 92 league clubs. So I just wanted to mention it just because he's been in the frame before and not got the. I have no idea if he's ever been interviewed. Obviously we never party to those sorts of things, but it's just another name to throw in and if, if he was to leave newcastle for any circumstance, under any circumstances, that would obviously change it. But I agree, at the moment it's, it's very unlikely andy had been doing research turned out he'd been drinking.
Speaker 2:Why would'm not going to get into it In Andy's defence? I'll leave Tony's defence in. Obviously, you're right, it's a ludicrous suggestion. But Newcastle will fire Eddie Howe in the summer. I think that is kind of a broad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if they, if Dice does stay to the end of the season which I've already said I don't want to see happen but if, if he does and eddie how's available at the end of the season, then he is the manager that we should go for if that circumstance, set of circumstances pans out like.
Speaker 2:This is like the two ronnie's thing where you're on. You know, you're in the mastermind sketch where we have to answer the question, the question previously asked. Okay, I will. I will not for the podcast Andy's made the most mental suggestion.
Speaker 2:Do you want a more mental suggestion? Because I've got one Now. This won't play out because Dyche isn't going to last until the end of the season. He's going to get fired in the next week. But if he did and I can say this breathe, because it'll never be disproven I think Ancelotti would come back. I mean, I don't think. I think genuinely, I can't believe. I'm about to say this. I think that's less of a cracker's shout than Eddie had, because he came to us once and if he's done with Madrid you do sort of get the sense he might have unfinished business and he obviously still loves the club.
Speaker 1:New stadium. Sorry, Abbie, but that is a more like Listen, it's all. These are all about opinions and debates, and it's absolutely fine.
Speaker 2:Some of them are right, some of them are wrong and some of them are deserving of ridicule and potentially sectioning. Okay, andy, peterborough, peterborough, answer the question this time.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, will we beat Peterborough Now? We should beat Peterborough because they're currently only just above the relegation zone in League One. What could beat in a team and will beat in a team, as we all well know, are two very different things. I mean, they've played 24 matches so far. They've scored 41 and conceded 46. Mansfield won 3-0 away at Peterborough in the league a couple of weeks ago. So they are a team that, at their level, score and concede lots of goals.
Speaker 1:So in that sense it's going to be interesting because we should be able, even with our very limited attacking threat some would say, you know, almost non-existent attacking threat if we can't put a couple of goals past Peterborough, who've shipped 46 goals, who've shipped nearly two goals a game at League 1 level, then we really have got problems. And of course it's worth pointing out as well that there's no replays in the FA Cup. So on Thursday night somebody's going to win, even if it goes to penalties. So I think we will beat Peterborough and I, but I don't think it'll be that good a watch. I think it'll be a very narrow victory, possibly only by the odd goal, because we just look so there's just such a dearth of attack and creativity. It's painful to watch.
Speaker 2:Ben Peterborough. We will beat Peterborough. We will beat Peterborough. We'll beat Peterborough 2-1. The main thing I'm looking for, and it won't matter, it shouldn't matter, except if we lose. And if we lose to Peterborough, dice shouldn't make it down the tunnel to the dressing room before someone from the freaking group hands him a P45.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd agree with that. If we lose to Peterborough, he has to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd agree with that. If we, if we lose to Peter, he has to go. Yeah, the thing I'm actually looking for is any indication, any indication that he Nathan Paterson, has to start it right back. You have to try. You have to get some indication that he understands and I realize that I'm making the argument that you've all made in the past and I've said well, he's never going to do it. But there has to be some recognition that you have to approach the game in a way that is designed to win it. I'm sure it would be lovely for Ashley Young to play against us so he can come on in the last two minutes when we're 3-0 up. But you cannot set up in that game where you are playing, where you're starting Ashley in the right back and any three of you know, decore and Gay and Magari three in midfield and like being solid at the back. That's what I'm looking for from Peterborough. The result is sort of notwithstanding you know what he's got.
Speaker 3:I know exactly what he's going to do.
Speaker 2:I think he listens to this podcast. He's going to rotate. He's going to play Michael. He'll play the backup goalkeeper. He'll play Michael. He'll play Keane instead of Brantway to teach him a lesson for what he did today. He'll play Younger right back because of the sentimentality thing he might rotate. He might play Harrison Armstrong, strong in midfield, who was pretty good when he came on today and then he'll bring Jack Harrison back and he'll play in Jai and then he might give Beto an out like and it'll be exactly the same set up and it'll be the same shit and we might get through it because it's Peterborough.
Speaker 3:We're going to beat Peterborough we're going to beat Peterborough 2-3 but it should have no effect at all on Dijs' position. He should be judged on what's happening in the Premier League and if we're really thinking that a team that Mansfield Town beat at Peterborough 3-0 have a chance against us, well, we've really hit the depth. So I think it'll be a straight 2-3-0 victory but, as I say, no effect on Dijs' position, judged on the following two games, if he's still there on Thursday. Adam.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I agree, I think we will beat Peterborough comfortably and I completely agree with that. It shouldn't be any. It shouldn't go towards Dyche looking any safer than what he is now if we do, because that is what should just happen. My concern is that you can train, you can teach, like fifth or sixth tier players to be organised and defensively solid by telling them what to do in a defensive situation. You can teach solidity in organisation quite easily. So that's what Peterborough are going to do and we've scored, as we know, the second fewest goals in the Premier League. So I do worry that, you know. I do worry more around the sort of the fans and what they will do you know, whether justified or not, around.
Speaker 4:Will it get to like? Will it get to the 35th, 40th minute, possibly into the second half, where we haven't scored or created many chances, and the fans will start getting on the players' back about it? Yeah, that's quite likely to happen because I don't think we will be very good at know how to create chances against them. Absolutely we should and we will create more than we will against Premier League teams. But Peterborough will be going there knowing that there isn't a replay if they can hold on for 90 minutes and get penalty shoots out.
Speaker 2:So I think we're going to lose. I think I'm probably on so I think we're going to lose. I think I'm probably on penalties, but I think we're going to lose and I'm pretty confident in this prediction because this is the biggest game of those Peter players' lives, you know. I mean, they're playing away at Premier League Club. They are going to be that we've got. Psychologically, I think Everton are broken and I think the managers attacking the players, the players probably want the manager gone. Uh, I don't think there there's a lot riding on it for them. I think we're in a real low point. This is the if you're blue paper peterborough, it's almost certainly the biggest game you'll ever play in, or one of them. I mean, you have playoff games maybe, which are more significant, but playing away in the fa cup of goodison park against everton?
Speaker 2:they will be up for it. I don't think we will be, and I don't think against even a well organized league one team we're gonna have enough to to break them down. And then I think what, adam, you said, exactly what will happen is the atmosphere will get pretty toxic pretty quickly, and that's really bad. This has just got Giant Killing written all over it. Oh yeah, we're primed to be that team in the FA Cup third round who get taken out by a League One team.
Speaker 3:It's exactly what we can do, yeah.
Speaker 2:Think about what? Because the thing that Everton teaches you is just when you think it couldn't get any worse, just when you think you've hit the bottom, you haven't, and I think, we think we've hit the bottom and we haven't, we will, we will, on that happy note, any other business yeah, just to go back to where I said, we'd beat Peterborough. I am. I think we can do no.
Speaker 1:I'm losing. My train of thought now is I said we beat Peterborough, you know, 1-0, narrowly, but equally there is a lot of validity in Austin's argument about why it could be a potential giant killing. And the one thing I wanted to mention is we played Tamworth I know it's a few years ago and different players and different management and all that but I'm sure we played Tamworth at home in the FA Cup third round, maybe 10, 12 years ago, and I'm sure we didn't score until the second half or late in the first half, and that was a fifth-tier side at home. So I agree with Austin's point about these players coming in. And if there's any Evertonian in the world and I don't think there are, but it was the view that because it's a League One team, we're going to come in and be 3-0 up after half an hour. Now I don't think there's any Evertonian that believes that.
Speaker 1:But that is not how this game is going to pan out. It's going to be. It's going to be a grind of a game against a team that are 19th in League One and that's a damning reflection on where Everton Football Club are at this moment in time that we're looking at this game in those circumstances and equally, peterborough, on the other hand, will be looking and thinking well, it's a big game for us, away at a Premier League club that are struggling, not scoring many goals. They're going to go there with no fear, they can just go and play, and they've got Darren Ferguson as their manager. Who's you know? I think he's. It's the fourth time he's been their manager, so he's been round the block. So it's it is. It is a very big banana skin.
Speaker 3:Can I say? There's one Everton in here who, not two minutes ago, said he thinks Everton will win 2-3-0 quite easily. No, Andrew said that we obviously have some different sides and ends of the spectrum, so it would be fascinating to see.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And I say different sides of the spectrum are good, because if we all thought the same thing, it would be a very short and boring podcast.
Speaker 2:By the way, we thought Eddie Howe could be our next manager, so we're counting him out.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't say could be the next manager. I just threw the name on ran the idea up the flagpole.
Speaker 2:I can edit this to say whatever you want. Trust me, when you listen to this later, you're going to say later. I guarantee Eddie Howe is going to be on X-Mandals. Good to see you all. Great to chat. Everton suck, but this podcast is a joy. We'll be back, I guess, probably after the weekend maybe, but we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong and we do beat Peterborough. Follow on Apple Podcasts, subscribe on Spotify wherever you get your podcasts. That's where we are tell your evidence and supporting mates. And yeah, stay well everybody.